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What Really Won the Trillion-Dollar Supreme Court Case | Neal Kumar Katyal | TED
What Really Won the Trillion-Dollar Supreme Court Case | Neal Kumar Katyal | TED
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There is a mahogany podium
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at the Supreme Court of the United States.
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One person died there,
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mid-argument,
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a stroke.
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Another collapsed there, dying soon thereafter.
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That's the podium.
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It also happens to be where I practice law.
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The most powerful court on earth.
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Nine minds ready to attack --
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and you stand 10 feet away from them.
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There are no prepared speeches in this court.
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Instead, 50 questions thrown at you in 30 minutes.
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I'm making hundreds of decisions in real time.
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Every argument I choose to make
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or not make,
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every word, every pause, every tone.
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There are no rewinds.
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Flinch and the justices pounce.
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That's my courtroom.
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But each of you has something like that.
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A place in which words matter.
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The right words can win
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and the wrong words [make a] huge difference.
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Five months ago, I stood before that podium
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asking the Supreme Court to do something
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it had never done in its history:
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declare a president’s four-trillion-dollar signature initiative unconstitutional.
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(Applause)
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And I had a secret.
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April 2, 2025.
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The president dusts off a 1977 law
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and imposes tariffs on virtually every country on earth.
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No congressional vote --
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nothing like that whatsoever --
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just his word.
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And here’s what’s at stake:
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if the president can command the global economy by yelling emergency,
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what can't he do?
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Checks and balances don't just bend, they break.
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I was hired to kill it.
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Legal scholars, commentators [and] my own colleagues said it was impossible.
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They said the president has nominated three of the justices on the court,
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and three others were appointed by Republican presidents.
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They're not going to go against their president, they said.
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I thought that was wrong.
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But the real problem
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was that the Supreme Court never in its history,
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in 237 years,
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has declared a signature initiative of the president unconstitutional.
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I was hired to do what no lawyer had done in 237 years.
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My first thought?
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"Hell yes."
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(Laughter)
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My second thought?
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“What in the world is wrong with me?”
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People have died at that podium,
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and I'm about to tell the world's most powerful man
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he can't do what he just did?"
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I had the self-preservation instincts of a moth near a bug zapper.
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(Laughter)
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So for months, I prepared for the argument of my life.
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Three weeks before that argument,
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one of my own teammates decided to try and take me down
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so that he could argue the case.
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He campaigned, he lobbied, he made calls.
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Just a few days before the argument,
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about two weeks,
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The Washington Post runs an editorial somehow,
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and I’m going to read this to you word for word:
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"Strategic mistake."
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I read it over breakfast.
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Look, I don't begrudge the guy.
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I mean, whatever.
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(Laughter)
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I had more important things to do because I wasn't replaced.
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Up I walked to that mahogany podium,
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and I won.
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The President's tariffs declared unconstitutional.
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(Applause)
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OK, look, I know how this sounds.
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Lawyer wins big case, gets a fancy TED talk invitation,
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talks for 14 minutes about how great he is.
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I’ve seen that guy at dinner parties --
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nobody stays for dessert.
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So that's not what this is.
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This is the behind-the-scenes story of four teachers that helped me connect.
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And it's also about one secret that I've never told anyone about
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when I walked out of that courtroom.
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[The] first connection I needed was with myself.
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I was terrified of blowing the case.
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And that Washington Post editorial didn’t help matters.
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A month before the argument, I met Ben.
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Ben coaches sports legends,
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Andre Agassi, Olympians and the like.
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His whole thing is about “game day.”
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That moment when everything you’ve been preparing for either shows up,
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or it doesn't.
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Ben's first question to me:
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"What are you afraid of?"
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Now look, at that point, I’d argued 52 cases.
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I’d saved the Voting Rights Act.
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I'd struck down the Guantanamo military tribunals.
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But Ben forced me to admit a truth I'd buried from myself.
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Every time I walked into the court,
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I looked at those portraits on the walls and thought:
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they don’t look like me,
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I don't belong here.
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Imposter syndrome doesn't care about how many cases you won.
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It cares about only your doubts.
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Ben didn’t dismiss this.
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He worked with it.
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He had me write down five adjectives
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and visualize them every day before our pretend court.
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About 18 hours before the argument,
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Ben calls and says, “How are you feeling?”
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And I say, "Honestly, I'm terrified.
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I've got to do a great job.
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I've got to remember 500 things.
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I've got to deliver an argument for history."
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Ben says, “You know, change the vowel, use an ‘e’ instead of an ‘o.’”
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He says, "What do you get to do?"
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And instantly it pours out of me:
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"I get to defend the Constitution of the United States.
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I get to, the son of immigrants,
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remind the country of what it's about.
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I get to defend my parents' vision of America."
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(Cheers and applause)
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One letter.
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The terror didn't disappear, but it transformed into joy.
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So was Ben the secret,
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an elite sports coach, who teaches people about mindset?
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No.
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But he got me ready.
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The second thing I needed was connection to information at scale.
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I assembled the most relentless legal team in the country.
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They stress-tested every argument until only the best ones survived.
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But I needed more.
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I needed someone who was absolutely relentless.
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I found Harvey.
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Harvey reads the 200th tariff case
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the same way as he reads the first.
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Shoot.
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Honestly, this is my first time using PowerPoint.
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I've given hundreds of speeches --
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(Laughter)
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I didn't want to use it,
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but they told me to.
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So anyway --
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(Laughter)
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The picture's not coming up, but that's fine.
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Don't worry about it.
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So let's see.
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OK, fine, good, we're good.
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You know, a month before the argument,
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Harvey told me that I should expect a question from Justice Barrett
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about license fees.
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And the yellow is what Harvey told me to predict,
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and blue is what Justice Barrett actually said at the argument.
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It's almost verbatim.
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So Harvey taught me peripheral vision:
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the idea [that] if you read a lot,
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you can see patterns and come up with stuff
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and anticipate the angles of attack before it arrived.
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So was this secret a team of relentless lawyers who never slept,
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who pressure-tested everything?
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Closer, but that's not it either.
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The third thing I needed was the hardest.
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And it’s something we’ve been talking about today:
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connection.
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Here, I needed to connect with nine very skeptical legal minds
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and to do so in real time.
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Enter Liz, my improv coach.
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What does improv have to do
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with the Supreme Court of the United States?
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Everything.
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Liz's secret:
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“Neal, you need to actually listen.
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Actually listen.”
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She taught me to quiet my own thoughts
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and to trust myself to come up with the words
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after the other person had spoken.
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That’s the essence of “yes, and.”
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Absorb the question and then build on it.
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When the justices attacked,
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I validated their concerns and then bridged back.
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The interrogation became a dialogue.
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The room's energy flipped.
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(Audio) NKK: This power, as Justice Gorsuch said,
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as Justice Barrett said,
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is going to be stuck with us forever.
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Justice Alito, I think you've said many times,
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the purpose isn't what you look at,
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you look to actually what the government is doing.
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Thank you, Justice Kavanaugh.
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So, five answers on the Nixon precedent.
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Tariffs are constitutionally special
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because our Founders feared revenue raising,
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unlike embargoes.
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There was no Boston Embargo Party,
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but there was certainly a Boston Tea Party.
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Justice Sotomayor, I wish I had an hour to talk about this with you,
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because this argument by the government is wrong every which way.
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Justice Alito: I wonder if you ever thought
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that your legacy as a constitutional advocate
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would be "the man who revived the non-delegation argument?"
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NKK: Heck, yes, Justice Alito.
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So was the secret an improv coach
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who taught a lawyer to “yes, and” the justices?
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That would be a hell of a TED talk.
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But no, that's not it either.
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(Laughter)
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Liz taught me the power of connection.
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And the fourth teacher,
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the fourth teacher,
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the one who taught me the most important thing.
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The thing we forget: to connect with yourself.
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Enter Bob, my meditation coach.
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Now I am just about the last person to meditate.
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I thought meditation was for people who own crystals.
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I do not own crystals.
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(Laughter)
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But --
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(Laughter)
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Way before, way before the tariffs argument,
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I started working with Bob,
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and he had me, 20 minutes a day, focus on a single word.
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He didn't send an app.
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He actually rented an apartment a block from the court.
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And we worked together every day, focusing on that word.
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Bob didn't just give me a mantra, he gave me a weapon.
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When I walked into court that day, the static was cleared.
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I was calm. I was dangerous.
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Was Bob the secret, the crystal-free meditation coach?
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No.
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But close.
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Because Bob, like Ben,
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like Liz,
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are human.
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That fourth teacher
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is not.
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Harvey is an AI.
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A bespoke system I'd been building with a legal AI company for the last year.
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And I trained it on every question asked by a Supreme Court justice
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in the last 25 years
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and everything they've written, every opinion, every concurrence,
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every dissent, every separate opinion.
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And in that, patterns emerged.
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It predicted the contours of the very argument I would face.
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It knew that Justice Gorsuch would ask me about the taxing power.
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It knew Justice Kavanaugh was going to grill me
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on tariffs versus embargoes.
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It nailed Justice Barrett's worry about tariff refunds.
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And the Chief Justice?
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It didn’t just predict his question,
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it predicted a possible escape route.
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How the Chief Justice could vote for us
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and at the same time protect the institution
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he had spent his entire career defending.
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Harvey glimpsed that narrow door,
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I held the door open,
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the Chief Justice walked through it,
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riding a six-to-three opinion,
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striking down the tariffs.
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Harvey even predicted Justice Gorsuch's separate opinion,
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striking down the tariffs, almost verbatim.
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Now I want to be precise about something.
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I'm a lawyer, precision really matters.
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What we were doing was not some trick.
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We weren't pulling some fast one over on the court
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when we predicted these things.
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Because predictability is what we want,
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especially in courts.
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A justice who returns to the same principles
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case after case, year after year,
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is a justice with character.
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Predictability is just consistency made visible.
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It is, in every sense, a compliment.
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What Harvey found in these justices was not weakness.
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It was integrity.
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But if I had just parroted Harvey's output,
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I would have lost the case 10-zero,
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and there aren’t even 10 justices.
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(Laughter)
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Because AI has a shadow side.
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When a tool is powerful,
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when a tool is powerful, you've all seen it,
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people stop thinking.
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"The computer says so."
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Four words, human judgment ends,
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then people just fold like a cheap lawn chair.
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The machine thinks, the human just nods,
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and in that nod somewhere, we disappear.
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My legal team never nodded.
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Harvey was not some god,
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it was our sparring partner --
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brilliant, tireless, occasionally insufferable --
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but not a god.
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Harvey asked the questions,
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we found the answer[s].
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Now this is bigger than just law.
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It's about all of us.
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For centuries, the expert was the person who read the most,
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who remembered the most, who'd seen the most,
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the seasoned doctor, the experienced lawyer.
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Their edge was accumulated knowledge.
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AI is making that edge nearly worthless.
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Not because humans no longer matter,
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but because that particular advantage,
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pattern recognition across vast data and breadth of knowledge,
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is now available to anyone.
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AI can analyze, AI can predict.
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But the one thing AI can't do
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is the thing that actually won that argument.
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Connect.
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That's the last irreplaceable human skill.
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Persuade one person to change their mind
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by appealing to something beneath the surface.
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Adjust not just the argument,
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but the delivery, the pause, the tone,
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the look that says, "I hear you.
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And here is my answer."
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You know, at one moment in the argument,
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Justice Barrett asked a question that Harvey hadn't predicted.
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And I remember it felt like
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she and I were the only two people in that marble and mahogany room.
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And in the half-second before I answered,
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I did something no algorithm can do.
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I looked at her.
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I really looked.
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I wanted to understand her worry.
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And I answered the worry.
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That lesson is true for all of us.
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You don't just got to do it, you get to do it,
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in an interview, in a negotiation,
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in a conversation that could save a marriage or end one.
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Any place in which you need to reach another human
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and actually connect.
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The question AI poses to every one of us is not will you be replaced?
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The question is,
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what is the irreducibly human thing that you do?
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Go deeper into it.
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Not to "survive AI,"
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but to come home to yourself.
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That's where your edge lives.
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So Ben taught me to reframe,
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Harvey gave me foresight,
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Liz taught me to listen and Bob taught me stillness.
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Four teachers,
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four connections,
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one argument.
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An argument that some have called
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the most important decision the Supreme Court has made in a century.
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When I walked into the court that day,
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I never felt more like I was exactly where I was meant to be.
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I brought to the podium no mountain of legal notes,
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just an email from Liz about the power of connection.
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And on the top of that,
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in my own handwriting, scrawled my parents' names,
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my children's names, my wife's name.
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The people I was fighting for.
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My father was my first audience.
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He didn't get to live to see this argument,
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but as I walked out of the courtroom afterwards,
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past those marble walls,
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past the portraits of people who didn't look like me,
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I got a text on my phone,
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an email from Ben.
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"So happy for you, Neal!
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I think your dad was watching over you too."
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The newest technology,
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the oldest human wisdom,
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the most powerful court.
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I get to do that.
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(Applause and cheers)
