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Why Big Tech Is Incompatible with Democracy | Bruno Giussani | TED
Why Big Tech Is Incompatible with Democracy | Bruno Giussani | TED
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How many algorithms are part of your
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daily life?
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How many sensors? How many screens? In
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fact, interacting with screens and other
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digital interfaces has become the main
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daily activity of almost all of us.
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But how many of those interactions are
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actually really of our choosing?
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Our lives are uh and our societies are
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increasingly structured around and by
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algorithms and digital networks. And
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this algorithmization of life I think is
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a problem for different reasons. And I
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want to uh touch upon two of them
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tonight.
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The first one is the nature of these
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technologies. We think they are products
1:03
and we buy them and once we own them, we
1:07
can do with them as we please. But in
1:11
the last couple of decades,
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digital technologies have actually
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become platforms,
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invisible digital architectures within
1:22
which we live and that changes
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absolutely everything.
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Almost all important software and
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digital services. Think of office and uh
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industrial applications,
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information and entertainment feeds,
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payments, artificial intelligence,
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chatbots, they all now run on the cloud
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as we say, which means that the data and
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the processing
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are not in our machines controlled by us
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locally, but they are on distant
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machines on remote servers to which we
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buy access and which are controlled by
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the providers
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and that gives them an immense power
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over our lives. [snorts] It allows them
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to decide what we can and cannot do.
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what ideas get visibility and what
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don't, what information we can access
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and also to influence our public
2:38
debates. Of course, these technologies
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are efficient, useful, practical, well
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integrated, easy to use, often even
2:48
free.
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Their utility is real and that's why we
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have adopted them and that's why it's so
2:54
difficult to imagine doing without them.
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But all that comes at a price and
3:01
finally we are starting to understand
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it. Data extraction, privacy loss,
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fragmentation of attention, dependency,
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mental health, we can do a very long
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list.
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And now for the past 3 years, a little
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bit more, generative artificial
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intelligence is infiltrating itself
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everywhere. It's popping up on all sorts
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of applications and programs, talking to
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us like friends, giving us sometimes the
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impression that we have superpowers.
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And indeed, AI chatbots can seem magical
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because they offer something almost
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irresistible.
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The opportunity to delegate to a machine
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the effort of thinking, learning,
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writing, even deciding.
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They are like
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cognitive baby bottles.
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And uh every day tens of millions of
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people rush to the nipple. But the more
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we delegate thinking [snorts] and
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deciding, the less we will be able to
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think and decide by ourselves.
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[snorts] And indeed, we are increasingly
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surrounded by machines that under the
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cover of optimization and practicality
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diminish our ability to understand
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reality and to act upon it.
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And they algorithmically reprogram
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change our societies. We think we
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control them, but actually is they who
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hypnotize us and domesticate us.
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And I know that's not a happy profile of
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our current situation that I just
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described.
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And for us Europeans, and that's the
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second point, for us Europeans, this
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problem is compounded by the fact that
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almost all these digital technologies
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are American.
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for a long time for a mix of uh
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economic opportunism and uh strategic
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naive and comfort and lack of
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imagination. We have accumulated a
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substantial technological lag. We have
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given up on our digital autonomy and it
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didn't seem such a huge deal because
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these technologies were coming from a
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country that was a friend and an ally.
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But now the United States are undergoing
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an internal revolution with fascist
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tendencies and they are engaging in a
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rogue and destabilizing external
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activism.
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Old established friendships are being
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replaced by openly hostile postures, by
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brazen interferences
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and force threats are becoming tools of
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foreign policy.
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And we must not fool ourselves. This is
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not just temporary. This is a profound
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systemic transformation.
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And the big tech tech companies, the big
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American tech companies, the one that we
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carry in our pockets, the one that are
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on our desk on whose digital services we
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depend,
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they are aligned with the priorities or
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of their government. We actually seeing
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a convergence of military and political
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power and of cloud power. When
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the CEOs are invited to accompany the
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president to a dinner, for example, with
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the king of England, that's not so that
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they can take a selfie with the king,
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right? That's a signal. It's a signal
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that digital technology is today central
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to American power projection. In fact,
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we should start looking at their data
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centers in the same way we look at the
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military bases that the US is
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maintaining around the world. And in
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this context, the fact that uh large
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parts of Europe
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run on American servers and software
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owned by American companies, encoding
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American values and worldviews and
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subject to American law of course
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creates a huge systemic vulnerability.
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[clears throat]
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You cannot build a healthy economy and a
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strong society on somebody else's
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digital infrastructure.
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And our dependence
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is actually substantial. We may not
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realize it uh in our daily daily use,
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but somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of all
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digital technologies we use are
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American.
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And tech dependence is both a political
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and an economic risk. Should our access
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[snorts] to American digital
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infrastructure be cut off for technical
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reasons, for an accident, for economic
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reasons or for political reasons, it
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would cause a nearly immediate paralysis
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of nearly everything. administration,
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hospitals, energy systems, businesses,
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of course, the military, payments,
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social networks, all our messaging apps.
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And yet we continue to transfer segments
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of our companies, of our governments,
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and our social and private lives onto
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American clouds every day, deepening our
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dependence.
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And
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dependencies,
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every dependence can be turned into
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coercion and into submission.
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And so I think it's urgent, very urgent,
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to find another way
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to demericanize
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as much as possible our digital uses and
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infrastructures.
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Now,
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don't take me for an anti-American.
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I've spent the last 30 years building
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bridges between the two sides of the
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Atlantic. There is nothing anti-American
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in what I'm saying here tonight. But
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there is everything anti-technological
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submission.
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So how do we go about it? Obviously I'm
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not advocating for shifting to the other
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technological track of the world, the
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Chinese,
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nor for anarchic approach which in
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today's technological reality would be
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impossible.
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I'm talking about taking back control,
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about reestablishing, restoring a level
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of choice, of autonomy, of digital
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sovereignty.
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Some will say, "But we don't really have
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alternatives [snorts] to the American
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tech giants."
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We hear that all the time.
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But it's only half true because yes, we
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don't have giants. We don't have a
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European Google or a European Microsoft,
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but we do have alternatives, not for
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everything, but for many things.
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[snorts]
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They may be small, national, perhaps not
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perfect, [snorts] but they are rather
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good. And there are really many. And
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what we need to do is to make them grow
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to make them scale in a deliberate way.
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And there are many ways of doing that.
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One for example is to prioritize them in
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public procurement. We cannot go to
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private companies and dictate what kind
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of technology they should use to run
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their business. Although
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companies should wake up and realize
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that uh every time they store data on an
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American cloud, every time they
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integrate an American AI, every time
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they make their business model
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contingent upon accessing American
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digital technology, they're putting
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themselves in a position of dependence
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and weakening their operational
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robustness and resilience.
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But public procurement, we can decide
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where we direct taxpayers money. And I'm
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talking about tens, many tens of
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billions of euros that every year
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European public administrations send to
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the other side of the Atlantic to buy
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digital technology.
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And so we should start to take into
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account not only economic criteria but
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uh also strategic considerations when we
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choose technology and at least partially
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favoring national and European providers
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which would help them grow and note that
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that's exactly what the Americans and
12:47
the Chinese do with their companies. And
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note also that I'm not talking about
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subsidies. I'm talking about markets,
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about purchases, about bids, about offer
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and supply. And if we help them grow,
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then there are cascading effects. They
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will have resources to invest in assets
13:08
and capabilities. They will have a
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capacity to build new technologies, to
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retain talent, to dynamize the market,
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to become themselves internationally
13:17
competitive.
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Further, we also need to establish
13:22
distinct European model, a new kind of
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industrial policy that can foster a
13:29
different kind of technological
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innovation and relaunch the European
13:34
tech industry. An approach, for example,
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that favors transparency,
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interoperability,
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respect for essential values.
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A business model that does not rely on
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the often abusive exploitation of
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personal data, but favors technology
13:56
that does not spy on people.
14:01
A regime of competition rather than
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monopoly, federated rather than
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centralized,
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diverse, and above all democratic
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because the big tech tech platforms we
14:17
use today by nature are authoritarian
14:21
based as they are on surveillance and
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control.
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It seems to me that
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technology that does not spy on you,
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that should be Europe's digital
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difference.
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And it also needs to be an approach that
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is not only defensive but is competitive
14:44
that builds technology, not only
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integrates or regulates it.
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Of course, emancipating ourselves even
14:51
just partially won't be easy. There is
14:55
no quick fix. There is no one for one
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replacement. It will take time but many
15:02
have already done it. The city of Leon
15:05
in France, cities in Denmark, the state
15:09
of Schlesstein in Germany, ministries in
15:12
Austria, the French National Police, the
15:15
Swiss Supreme Court of Justice, both of
15:18
those run on open-source software. The
15:22
German government just a couple of days
15:23
ago uh put forward a policy framework
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for a German tech stack
15:30
and there are many many others [snorts]
15:32
which shows that it is possible.
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And then there is us, each and every one
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of us here tonight, who hand over entire
15:43
parts of our private and social lives to
15:46
American platforms every day, including
15:48
today,
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without asking enough questions.
15:55
Sometimes we do have a moment of doubt.
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We feel uneasy when we realize that our
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messages are read and our images are
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viewed by AIS.
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That the information we receive is
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filtered and often invented by
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algorithms that the machines we used we
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use are programmed to manipulate us.
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But then the apps are so convenient,
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free, easy. Our friends are there, our
16:28
followers are there, the chat bots
16:31
present themselves as friends. And so we
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convince ourselves that it's okay and
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continue to use them.
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But it's not okay. In fact, I believe
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that the existence
16:44
of big tech given their size, their
16:49
concentration of capital, their growing
16:52
technological grip into our lives, their
16:56
almost direct access to our minds and to
17:00
our emotions. The existence of big tech
17:03
is no longer compatible with our
17:05
freedoms and with democracy.
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The control they have over the
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development of artificial intelligence,
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one of the most astounding technologies
17:17
ever created further entrenches that
17:21
power, projects it into the future.
17:26
However, that power, algorithmic power,
17:30
cloud power rests at [snorts] least in
17:33
part on our consent,
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on our compliance, on our passive and
17:40
silent acceptance. And there is where we
17:45
have a choice.
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We can of course decide that autonomy
17:50
and digital sovereignty are too
17:54
expensive or too complicated or that it
17:56
is too late and accept technological
18:01
submission. And that seems to be the
18:03
path we are on right now.
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Or we can resist.
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We can decide that we want to remain
18:13
free and democratic and make and do
18:16
everything we can gradually but
18:20
aggressively and with urgency to regain
18:23
control of our cloud and our data. It's
18:28
possible. It will be difficult. It may
18:31
hurt. It will require a surge of pride
18:35
and of will.
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collaborative effort, pulled resources,
18:41
courage, imagination. But to me, the
18:45
path is absolutely clear. We need to
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deamemericanize our technological uses
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and infrastructure and we need to start
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now. Thank you. [applause]