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Why Marvel Fans Are Divided Over The Punisher In Spider-Man Brand New Day
Why Marvel Fans Are Divided Over The Punisher In Spider-Man Brand New Day
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For a movie that's all about Spider-Man,
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people sure do have a lot to say about
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the Punisher. Here's why Frank's vibe in
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Brand New Day has everyone arguing. The
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biggest reason is that Frank has been
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[music] dialed down quite a bit for his
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latest outing, at least as far as his
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murderous tendencies [music]
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are concerned. Remember that John
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Byrne's version of the anti-hero has
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slaughtered [music] a lot of people over
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the past decade. According to one
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intrepid Redditor [music]
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who took the time to count, his kill
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tally nearly reached 100 in the second
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season of the OG [music] Daredevil show
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alone. And that's not to mention his
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overall mood and outlook on life.
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[music] What you might call humorless
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for lack of a better term. So yeah, it's
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definitely weird to see him goof around
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with Peter and essentially act as a
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comic relief this time around.
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>> Go home.
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>> Yes, he does try to snipe Jean Grey, but
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he doesn't [music] even succeed thanks
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to Peter, who ends up taking the bullet
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himself. In fact, Frank [music] feels so
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bad about it that he stands guard over
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Peter while he recovers in the hospital.
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Definitely not his usual follow-up
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response [music] after pulling the
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trigger.
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While plenty of die-hard Punisher fans
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claim this light-hearted [music] turn
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makes no sense when you take his
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previous appearances into account,
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scores of other fans have no problem
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with it. As one fan wrote on the Brand
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New Day subreddit, "Thought they handled
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Punisher perfectly in this. He's still
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rough around the edges and wants to
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solve problems the only way he knows
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how." They went on to say that his
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relationship [music] with Peter reminds
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them of his relationship with Amy Bendix
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in the comics, highlighting how he often
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softens up just a tiny bit when around
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younger [music] people. Another fan
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touched on the same point, writing, "The
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chemistry between Punisher and Spidey
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was really cool to watch. He's [music]
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kind of like Spider-Man's crazy uncle
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that looks out for him, whereas Tony
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Stark was more of the fatherly figure
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for him. Two polar opposite [music]
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mentors that shaped Spider-Man into
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well-rounded character." His overall
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vibe is only one part [music] of the
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ongoing discourse. Others have also been
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drawing attention to what you might call
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that continuity problem. As one Redditor
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put it, "My only issue [music] is that
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the rest of the civilians and police in
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the movie didn't treat him as someone
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who should [music] be arrested and were
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too accepting." This is definitely a
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fair point. As you mentioned [music]
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before, Bernthal's version of Frank has
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killed untold legions of people since he
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first appeared in 2016. [music]
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And he's never faced any real
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consequences for it, legal ones anyway.
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>> [music]
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>> Yes, they do put him on trial in
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Daredevil season 2, but this doesn't
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result in him spending much time behind
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bars, even after he says things like
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this on the stand. [music]
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>> Any scumbag, any any lowlife, any maggot
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piece of that I put down, I did IT
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BECAUSE I LIKE YOU.
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>> ORDER.
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Another thing to consider though is that
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[music] cops have never really been much
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of a problem for Frank. He's an
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ex-Marine who most certainly knows how
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to dodge the fuzz if he feels like it.
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There's also [music] the fact that a lot
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of cops actually support what he does.
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Remember that a bunch of them joined
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Fisk's anti-vigilante [music] task force
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and sports his logo in Born Again. He
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hates this, of course, but it definitely
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helps [music] explain why he's able to
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easily stay out of the law's crosshairs.
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These issues aside, [music] the bottom
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line is that the majority of people have
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been enjoying the relationship between
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the two [music] characters. As one
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Redditor wrote, "Frank and Peter's
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chemistry was so perfect and
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complemented [music] the story in a
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great way. I love Daredevil, but there's
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no way they [music] would have had the
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same dynamic." This all makes sense
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considering how Bernthal and Holland
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have been friends in real life for a
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while now. [music]
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Not only have they known each other
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since they both auditioned for their
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respective Marvel roles a decade ago,
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they actually shot each other's audition
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tapes. And according to Bernthal, he's
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the one who made the suggestion that
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made Holland stand out among all the
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others who are vying for the highly
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coveted role of Spider-Man. As he told
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Jimmy Kimmel after explaining that the
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young actor is an incredible athlete,
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>> I give him the note, "Tom, you know,
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maybe you should sort of run up that
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wall, and do like a double backflip, and
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then start the scene."
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>> Whether or not that was truly the
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deciding [music] factor, we'll never
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know. But, it sure is nice to see them
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absolutely killing it together on the
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big screen, and keeping the magic of
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movies alive.
