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Role Model Takes Jimmy Off His Enemies List, Talks Chuck Timely Album & Opening Up for Gracie Abrams
Role Model Takes Jimmy Off His Enemies List, Talks Chuck Timely Album & Opening Up for Gracie Abrams
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-Come on! More!
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[Cheers and applause]
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-The album is out. It's out officially at midnight.
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So it's out right now. "Chuck Timely," congratulations.
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Role Model. Come on! -Thank you so much.
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[ Cheers and applause continue ]
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-Whoo!
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Big deal. Thank you for coming back to the show.
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And thank you for being a talk guest.
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It's your first time as a talk guest.
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-This is my first time on the couch. Yeah.
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-Of any show. -Of any show. Yeah.
0:27
-Oh, I'm so happy. This is great.
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-Thank you. -I'm honored, I'm honored.
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Thank you for being here. -I'm honored. Thank you.
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-Last time you were here,
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we were talking about this great album, "Kansas Anymore."
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Uh, you came on,
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and I remember "Sally" was just coming out and it was --
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I don't even know if anyone in the audience knew "Sally,"
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and I go, "Guys, wait till you see Role Model.
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He's fantastic."
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I go, "Let me just play a little bit,"
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and I play just a little bit of "Sally,"
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and the whole audience knew it word for word
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and sang it back to me. -Yes, I remember.
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-Do you remember that? -I do remember.
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I remember I was in the green room watching.
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I could also hear from back there.
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But I mean, I was shocked.
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I didn't -- also, I didn't know that was allowed.
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I didn't know you guys were allowed to do that.
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I thought it was like Jimmy's talking.
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-No, no, no. -There was no rules. I loved it.
1:22
-No, it was back and forth here with us.
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Yeah, absolutely. But they all loved you.
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And, uh, "Kansas Anymore" went on to be
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one of the biggest albums of the year.
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And are you from Kansas?
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-I'm not from Kansas. [ Laughter ]
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-Not from Kansas? -No. I'm not.
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I caused confusion, and, you know, rightfully so,
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by the name.
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I'm from Maine. But you know.
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[ Audience cheers ] Yeah, yeah.
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-But if you called it "Maine Anymore,"
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it wouldn't make any sense. -Doesn't ring...
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-No, yeah, I get it. Kansas.
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-Kansas. It's a metaphor.
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-I get it. Yeah. No. Yeah, we got it.
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Yeah, but you're from Maine.
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-I'm from Maine. Yeah.
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-Fun. -I know.
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I'm going there first thing in the morning tomorrow.
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I'm gonna play an album release show.
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-No way!
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Have you performed there? -I haven't.
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I've waited my whole career to, like, do a show in Maine.
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I never thought people would -- -Hometown show.
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-I know! I didn't think anyone would show up.
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Like, truly, like, that's why I was putting it off forever.
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And then with "Kansas Anymore,"
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it felt like for the first time in my career,
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I had my home state of Maine kind of behind me and so...
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-Good for you, bud. That's awesome.
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-Thank you. Thank you.
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-I think when you performed on our show,
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I think Bowen Yang was your Sally.
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-He sure was. He was an amazing Sally, too.
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-Yeah. So, when you sing Sally,
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now and then, you have a celebrity come out
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and they will be the Sally, and they'll dance.
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You had -- I remember Kate Hudson did it.
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-Yes. -You had so many fun people.
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Did you know all these people before they were Sally?
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-No, um, some of -- well, some of them you do.
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And some of them -- -Some you just meet on stage.
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-And then some of them, the first time you're meeting them
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is like twirling them around on stage,
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which, to be honest, is an amazing way to meet someone.
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Like, skipping -- like, imagine going on a date
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and, like, getting to skip the small talk of, like,
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where are you from? -Yeah.
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-It's like, no, you're just immediately dancing with them.
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-Spinning and dancing. Yeah. Why not?
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-I loved it. It was great.
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-I will say my favorite Sally
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is when you brought your mom on stage.
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-Oh! -That was pretty cool.
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[ Applause ]
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Come on, bud. Where was that?
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And did -- was she surprised to get the invite to be Sally?
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-She -- She was -- She was surprised.
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That was in Boston,
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which at the time was like the closest thing
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to a hometown show. -Yeah.
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-My whole family, extended family came,
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and I asked my mom ahead of time and she was like,
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"I want to keep it a secret from the rest of the family."
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And she snuck off while the show was going
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and snuck out into the darkness and came up and surprised --
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successfully surprised the whole family.
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And her sister, my aunt, was furious that she did not --
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[ Laughter ] Furious.
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-Really? -Yeah.
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It caused a lot of drama. Yeah.
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-"Like you didn't tell me?" I'm...
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-I know, she was like --
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I'm sure she was in the crowd, just like fury --
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just fire in her eyes. -Yeah.
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Uh, I know you got to open for our pal Gracie Abrams --
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-Yes. -...who's amazing. Oh, my God.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-The best. -We love her.
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But you kind of crushed it.
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What do you remember about getting that phone call?
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-Well, I remember...
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I think my album had not come out yet,
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and I don't think I had started my rollout,
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but she was looking for openers.
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And I think someone at the label
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sent her some of the early music.
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Um, and she liked it, and she invited me on tour
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and it was an instant yes.
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And it went on to, like, change the trajectory of my career.
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So yeah, so. We love Gracie.
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-Yeah, we love Gracie. -We love Gracie Abrams.
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-I want to ask you about this
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because I follow you on the socials.
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-Yeah. -And, uh, on Instagram,
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you put out this cryptic,
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"I will update enemies list after album is out."
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Okay, so, your new album, "Chuck Timely,"
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is out officially right now at midnight.
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But what, the enemies list? "I will update the enemies..."
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Who's on the enemies list?
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-So you know what's funny is I have an album that is out now,
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and I'm here to pretty much promote that.
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But I think really why I came here
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is to talk about the enemies list, and...
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-Let's do it. This is why we're here.
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-I've had it for a couple years now.
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Some people know -- some people here may know,
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I've had this, and I'm public about it.
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My enemies list, it's on my notes app.
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It started with "People" magazine and then started --
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you know, MTV has been on there, Charli XCX --
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artists have been on there. -What --
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Why is "People" magazine on your enemies list?
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-They, uh -- I don't want to talk about it.
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-Okay. Yeah. Smart. -I don't want to talk about it.
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-Yeah, you shouldn't. -But --
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-Why is Charli XCX on your list?
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-Because I was mad that she married George from The 1975.
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I liked George from the 1975.
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Again, you know, and so I keep --
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People make their way, but also, like Charli got off of the list
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and, you know, the thing is, Jimmy,
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you were the last person to get added.
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Thank you. [ Laughter ]
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You were the last name to get added to the list.
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-Wait, what? I'm on the --
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I'm on the enemies list? -You are.
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And that's kind of why I wanted to come here.
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[ Laughter ]
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-This is insane. -Forget the album. Forget --
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The album's come out at midnight. Go buy it.
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But let's focus on this.
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-This is the real reason?
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I loved you. I've supported you since --
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-I know Jimmy, I love you,
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and I -- that's why I came here,
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because I want to give you a second chance.
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And I've never really done that.
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[ Laughter ]
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But earlier this year, you had Natalie Portman on,
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who I love, and we did a movie last year.
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It's coming out next year. -Yes.
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People are buzzing about your movie.
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You're acting in a movie.
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-I'm in a movie with Natalie and Mark Ruffalo,
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but Natalie was on here,
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and she was talking to you,
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and she --
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she told you my full legal name.
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Uh, Tucker Pillsbury.
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[ Laughter ]
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-Oh yeah.
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[ Laughs ]
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Sorry. -Yeah. And how did I --
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-You laughed. You -- [ Laughter ]
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-What?!
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That doesn't sound like something I would do.
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-You laughed right in my face through the screen.
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I remember watching it.
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And so, immediately, I screen recorded it
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and I put it on my Instagram.
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And then I followed it up with me writing your name
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into the enemy list. [ Laughter ]
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-Wow. I mean -- -But...
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-Tucker Pillsbury III.
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-Yeah, no, there's no "third."
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And don't make -- don't further make fun of my name.
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-No, I thought -- I thought you said that.
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I thought you said -- I thought you said it.
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Sorry, I apologize. -No, there's no numbers.
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-Oh, I thought it was. -But --
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-No, I just didn't know your name was Tucker Pillsbury.
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-Yeah, and I -- -I apologize.
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-I remember -- and I remember she had a little giggle, too.
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I got to talk to her, but... [ Laughter ]
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-She got -- she's off the list?
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She's not even -- -Yours was worse, though.
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-Oh, my God. [ Laughs ]
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-Yeah. -Alright alright.
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How do I -- How do I redeem myself?
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-So, I figured why not give you a chance to redeem yourself?
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-I always -- I will. -So, what I want to do
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is I'm going to tell you my full legal name...
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middle name as well.
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And if you laugh, I walk.
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[ Laughter ]
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-What in the world? -But it...
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[ Cheers and applause ] -What's going on?
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-But if not, you know, whatever.
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I'll take your name off the list.
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-Okay. Where do I look? What camera?
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Do I look at you? -Look at me.
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-Okay. -It feels more intimate.
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[ Laughter ]
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My name is Tucker Harrington Pillsbury.
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[ Laughter ]
8:52
Alright. [ Cheers and applause ]
8:54
I'll take your name.
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-Hand hug. Hand hug. Yeah.
9:01
Uh, I'm afraid to laugh at anything now.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I thought you were gonna say your name is Chuck Timely.
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I was like, that would be fantastic.
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'Cause the name of the album is
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"Chuck Timely and The Hourglass."
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-Yes, it is.
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-I'm so happy I'm off this list, by the way.
9:17
Um, why --
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why is "Chuck Timely and the Hourglass" your name?
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I love it. -I know, it's a mouthful.
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-No, I like it.
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-But I wanted to have this character
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to represent the themes on the album.
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A lot of it is about time and time passing,
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and I was in this two-year period of being single
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and my friends were getting married,
9:37
and everything's kind of moving forward, and I felt --
9:39
-Yeah, so, I was going to ask you,
9:40
it looks like you're at a wedding here on the cover.
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-Very real. -Do you like weddings?
9:44
-Well, I went to my first wedding as an adult,
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literally this year, and it --
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or I guess last year, last summer, and --
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-You were like, "I'm not..."
9:53
-No, I was -- I went into it being like, ugh.
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And then I was, like, weirdly moved by it.
9:58
And there's fully a song on the album about it
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called "The Wedding."
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But, um, I was not expecting to be, like, moved by a wedding
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and now I guess I'm a wedding guy.
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-[ Laughs ] Got respect.
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-Yeah. -I like a good wedding.
10:12
I saw...
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I saw this billboard because Charli XCX,
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who we all know you are friends with,
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she coined the term "Brat Summer."
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-She did. -Yeah.
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And I saw this billboard
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that we took a picture of called "Chuck Summer."
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-Yes. Chuck Summer.
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-So, Chuck Timely.
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What would a Brat Summer be? That was like, what?
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-Well, Brat -- well... -Going to clubs?
10:34
-I'd love to ask. Yeah.
10:35
To me it was like club, dark, strobe, Berlin.
10:40
-Yeah. -A little bit of drugs, maybe.
10:42
-Maybe. -Yeah.
10:43
-That's Brat Summer. What is a Chuck Summer?
10:45
-Chuck Summer feels more like a little --
10:48
it feels like a dirty little dive bar
10:50
and like mud getting dragged in in the winter.
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Like, it's like gross.
10:56
-Yeah, I like that. -Yeah.
10:58
-And dirt bikes? -And dirt bikes.
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-Yeah, why not? That's a Chuck Summer.
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Alright, so we can have this Chuck Summer.
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We can do this. -I love it.
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-Chuck Summer is fun. That's --
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Personally, for me, I love Chuck Summer.
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-Yeah. We're gonna do Chuck Summer.
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Uh, we're debuting one of your new songs for us
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later in the show.
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Which one are you doing for us? -We're gonna do "Harmony."
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It's the last track on the album.
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-Come on, bud. [ Cheers and applause ]
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I'm so happy for your career.
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Keep going, keep going, keep going.
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Come back for the movie. -I would love to.
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-It's a pleasure. Role Model, everybody!
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"Chuck Timely and the Hourglass" is available everywhere.
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Right now! It's out!
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Role Model is performing for us after the break.
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Stick around, everybody!
