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How the UAE Is Trying to Build a Global Defense Giant

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0:00No one wants war, but war is also a  validation. War tests your preparation.
0:05The UAE has long relied on  foreign defense systems.  
0:09Now, it’s building more of  that capability at home.
0:12When you import a solution normally,  
0:15from anywhere in the world, you also  import a doctrine, the way to use it.
0:21At the center of that ambition is  EDGE Group — an Abu Dhabi-backed  
0:24defense and technology company launched in 2019.
0:28When EDGE was created, it was created with a  different flavor to it, from ammunition to space.
0:34Now, the question is whether EDGE can turn the  
0:37country’s push for self-defense  reliance into a global business.
0:53On the outskirts of Abu Dhabi,  inside Tawazun Industrial Park,  
0:57the UAE’s defense ambitions  are being turned into hardware.
1:02This is where EDGE Group is trying  to turn the UAE from a buyer into  
1:06a builder — bringing design, engineering,  testing and production into one ecosystem.
1:12The company is still a young player  by global defense industry standards.
1:16But it has grown quickly, consolidating  more than 35 entities into a single  
1:21defense and advanced technology group. The result is a company grouped into six  
1:26core clusters, covering everything from missiles  and weapons to space and homeland security.  
1:34The ambition is not just to build for the UAE,  but to prove those systems can compete abroad.  
1:41Our first stop was HALCON — EDGE’s  missile and weapons production facility.  
1:46This is where I met Hamad Al  Marar, Managing Director and CEO.
1:52This is an electromechanical-based facility. It  is fully automated when it comes to assembly,  
1:58and it is where really technology  and human have actually met.  
2:02Was the goal to always become an  exporter when EDGE first started out?  
2:07It’s important to try and promote your products.  And if you have a strong belief in what you do,  
2:13beyond your local user, it’s  credibility that you achieve.  
2:17And how has the last four months of war  changed how you think about doing business?  
2:23We understand the need. We understand the  urgency. It has really shaken our system  
2:29in terms of paperwork and bureaucracy. It  has, I would say, made us more efficient.  
2:35Though wars are always bad, but sometimes  you need a shake to reconsider things.
2:39A shake for the better, would you say? For the better. Yes.
2:43That urgency has become part of Al  Marar’s argument for building more  
2:47defense capability at home. He says the recent conflict  
2:50showed how much of the UAE’s response now  depends on nationally developed technology.
2:56You are running, probably, what is one  of the world’s fastest-growing defense  
3:01startups today — and this is a business that has  actually been tested by a real war on home soil.  
3:08Of course, no one wants war, but war is also  a validation. War tests your preparation.  
3:16It came after decades and decades of work,  and it surely demonstrated our readiness,  
3:25our resilience, and the capabilities  that mainly were home grown.
3:31Al Marar says UAE Armed Forces intercepted  more than 95% of incoming threats,  
3:38with more than 80% of those interceptions  involved nationally grown technologies.
3:43What type of technology and products was  EDGE actually using during the Iran war?
3:49We’ve used many of our drones, of course. But  what was very important is that we deployed a  
3:55full geofencing capability of the whole nation  in over 190 sites in less than 48 hours.
4:03And how much of the technology and product that  
4:06EDGE actually makes today  is genuinely homegrown?  
4:09If I look at the portfolio in terms of  products, not configurations, over 90% are UAE,  
4:1710% comes from abroad, our entities that  we own in Europe, we own in Latin America,  
4:23and elsewhere. In the products that we have  locally, they are all stamped by Made in the UAE.
4:30I think you're touching on a really critical  point here. Is this about sovereignty for the UAE,  
4:37relying less on those Western suppliers  like the United States, for example,  
4:41or is this now about building globally  competitive weapons and technology supply?  
4:49Definitely, we want to be competitive.  And let's take it on different verticals,  
4:53I would say. When you import a solution, normally,  from anywhere in the world, you also import a  
5:01doctrine — the way to use it. And there are no two  armies alike. The geography is different. The size  
5:11is different. The force multiplier definition is  different, and the affordability is different.  
5:16And what has that development meant for the  UAE and EDGE’s relationship with dominant  
5:23Western suppliers, like the United States,  for example? Because I'm sure if the UAE is  
5:27buying less weapons, then the U.S. is  probably raising one eyebrow, right?  
5:32Look, life is business, and we're not  dropping anyone. Are we developing a  
5:40fighter? Answer is no. Are we developing  a main battle tank? The answer is no.  
5:44But there are other things that we do  rely on friends and allies as well. Now,  
5:51are we buying less? Yes, we're buying  less. But how much less? This is the  
5:56United Arab Emirates Armed Forces  should decide. I do not want to be  
6:01the sole supplier of the UAE Armed Forces. I have a family, right, and I need diversity,  
6:06and we need capability. No nation can work alone.
6:11My next stop with Al Marar was ADASI,  EDGE’s autonomous systems business.  
6:17Inside this assembly hangar, the  focus is on unmanned aircraft,  
6:21built for surveillance, strike  missions and battlefield support.
6:26What would you say is the strongest growth  signal, or the strongest growth market right  
6:31now? Where is demand actually coming from? I would say we’re focusing on air defense, layered  
6:36defense, defense from cyberattacks, defense  from drones, defense from incoming missiles,  
6:44ballistic missiles, fighter jets, helicopters. You need to optimize your layered defense,  
6:51because it became a war of attrition. You need to be able to afford it and  
6:56stand tall for the longest time possible. How do you keep the manufacturing costs low  
7:02so that you can compete in the global market? It’s always about adopting the best available  
7:08options — no legacies. There is always  a better way to do things cheaper.  
7:13When you design towards a price, most likely you  will get there. But when you design only for spec,  
7:22then you will try to get to that price. Is advanced warfare becoming more expensive  
7:28or less expensive for the buyer  here that you have in mind?
7:31It depends. The whole approach has changed. Maybe  before you needed something on a certain standard,  
7:39on a certain level. Maybe today you  need a cheaper solution. The rules  
7:43of the game have changed. A drone  can take down a tank. Previously,  
7:49it was a tank that takes down a tank. So,  you have to adapt, or you will be behind.
7:58EDGE has also just opened up in Europe, in Paris  specifically, with a French government cooperation  
8:04agreement, as well. How significant is  that deal for EDGE and for Abu Dhabi?
8:09Europe is where the next budgets are. We would  like to contribute to the security of Europe.  
8:16We feel that we have a value. We feel that  Europe have recognized this value by accepting  
8:23us into Europe. These are facts. Now we own  entities in Estonia, we own an entity in Poland,  
8:30we own an entity in Switzerland, we own an  entity in Germany, we own an entity in France,  
8:35and we have JVs in Spain, and we have  partnerships and JVs in acquisitions in Italy.
8:42We have a very nice footprint in Europe,  
8:44and this would have not been possible if the  UAE wasn't accepted in Europe as a partner,  
8:52knowing and trustworthy with NATO,  and the way we firewall things.
8:56Plus, you need another player in  Europe, even the big players today,  
8:59we're working with them. There  is always these collaborations,  
9:02but they only start when you put your ego  aside. There is always someone better than you,  
9:07and you need to be on this learning  curve forever. Things are ever changing.
9:13Still, indeed, one of the world's most  protected defense markets, though. So,  
9:17what are the solutions that  Edge can actually provide?
9:20We have over 200 solutions. Over  70% that are on production lines,  
9:28and we have about 30% that will see  the light in the next two years.
9:33When we look at EDGE Europe, we  mean it when we say EDGE Europe.  
9:36EDGE Europe is European. EDGE Europe will utilize  our platforms. EDGE Europe will produce in Europe.
9:46We're complying with their rules, and those  are the rules of the game. We need to comply  
9:50with NATO. They need to go in operation  on NATO. We totally understand that,  
9:55and if we can accelerate security agenda in  Europe, we will do that. If we can accelerate  
10:02wealth and flourishing the ecosystem, we will do  that. If we are adding value, we will do that.
10:09The voices against foreign money coming  in, particularly into the European defense  
10:14sector are rising, so what is your plan  to combat that political push back?  
10:19If I faced one, maybe I do have an  answer, but I haven't faced any yet.
10:25Scale is only part of the story. The bigger test is whether systems  
10:30made in the UAE can compete globally. At CARACAL, EDGE’s small-arms business,  
10:36that export push is already  visible on the production floor.  
10:40Here, weapons are assembled for domestic  use — and for international customers.
10:45So, what specifically is being made  inside this part of the warehouse?  
10:49We do assemblies of everything we produce  for small arms in this place — so going  
10:58from a 9mm pistol to a 12.7 sniper. And where are all these small arms going?  
11:05Where are you seeing the biggest demand? The highest demand is, of course, the UAE,  
11:10but we do have many export clients,  and mainly in Asia and Africa.
11:15Do you think that the global market for  defense is getting more and more fragmented?  
11:22I would rephrase it, and I don’t want  to sound political, but unfortunately,  
11:2870% of the countries in the world lay  outside EU, U.S., Russia and China.  
11:37The UAE is a very nice, natural,  peaceful choice for many countries.
11:42If you buy from China, you upset U.S. You buy from  U.S, you upset China. UAE is neutral. That's one.
11:49But the second thing what is equally important is  
11:52we do not have bureaucracy towards  export permits. They come out fast.
11:57No one wants to wait for a rifle for 6 months  
12:00to receive a shipment. We have a  very fast turnaround in that angle.
12:05Actually in some cases we are able to  start supplying beyond or faster than  
12:10a country issuing a contracting  permit. And that's an advantage.
12:14Our business model is quite different. We build  to stock and we sell which makes it a faster  
12:21turnaround on our inventory, faster turnaround to  satisfy our sales order, and that's a big merit.
12:27But only to those countries where the  export control has been approved, right?
12:32Of course. No, no, nothing goes into the country  or outside the country without our MOD process.
12:39You're leading almost 20,000  people inside this organization.  
12:44How do you do that day-to-day? And what  would you say is the number one thing  
12:48that you think about when you get out  of bed coming into the office every day?
12:51The largest risk I took is the will to work  with a great team like the team I have.
13:00What keeps me up at night is, maybe you said  20,000, but this could be 100,000 dependents,  
13:10families, kids, siblings, mom, father, that  are relying on the bread earner in this group,  
13:18that relies day and night on our decisions. And  I'm a father myself, that keeps me up at night.
13:25I would spend my day, day and night not to lose a  
13:30single employee in this organization. And  I think that's my largest responsibility.
13:35What's the biggest challenge that  you're facing right now, leading EDGE?
13:40Every day. Every day, if I take it financially,  
13:45the group has needs and we  need to keep money flowing.
13:51The group needs backlogs. We need careers  and we need to sustain the workforce.
13:57Politics, geopolitics, supply chain, logistics,  
14:02things that are in your hand maybe you  can control, but things outside your hand,  
14:05you have to navigate through and there  is no experience that can do that.
14:10You learn in the moment and that's the difficult  part of it. Taking decisions in the unknown.
14:18And as you continue to lead and grow EDGE, where  do you see this business in the next decade? ]
14:24Top 15. Soon.
14:27How soon?
14:28Very soon.
14:30Very soon?
14:30Very soon. At least in my tenure.
14:32Hamad, great to see you today.  Thank you for showing me around.
14:35Lovely to see you. Thank you so much.
14:35Appreciate it. Thank you.
14:36Thank you.